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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s Mistake &amp; Kennedy&#8217;s Error</title>
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		<title>By: Provocate.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; September 18 — Hear social psychologist Elliot Aronson</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-2089</link>
		<dc:creator>Provocate.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; September 18 — Hear social psychologist Elliot Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] before you go:   For an application of Aronson&#8217;s ideas, read Michael Shermer&#8217;s &#8220;Bush’s Mistake &amp; Kennedy’s Error.&#8221; Bookmark [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] before you go:   For an application of Aronson&#8217;s ideas, read Michael Shermer&#8217;s &#8220;Bush’s Mistake &#38; Kennedy’s Error.&#8221; Bookmark [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect one would have to first ask if the author of the book, the article, and the comments are somehow outside the influence of the psychological tendencies applied to those they disdain.  

Second, one might wonder just how stupid all the folks in the military and government would have to be not to &quot;compute the odds of succeeding from this point forward and then decide if the investment warrants the potential payoff.&quot;  As one who has followed the details of the news available to citizens during this conflict, it certainly appears that such risk/reward equations are being considered.  Bias exists, of course.  But we must assume that these biases exist for both sides of any argument.

In fact, we would expect that these biases even effect scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect one would have to first ask if the author of the book, the article, and the comments are somehow outside the influence of the psychological tendencies applied to those they disdain.  </p>
<p>Second, one might wonder just how stupid all the folks in the military and government would have to be not to &#8220;compute the odds of succeeding from this point forward and then decide if the investment warrants the potential payoff.&#8221;  As one who has followed the details of the news available to citizens during this conflict, it certainly appears that such risk/reward equations are being considered.  Bias exists, of course.  But we must assume that these biases exist for both sides of any argument.</p>
<p>In fact, we would expect that these biases even effect scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pax should note that the date of the article is May, 2007 - about a year ago. So the figures Shermer cites are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pax should note that the date of the article is May, 2007 &#8211; about a year ago. So the figures Shermer cites are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Pax Starksen</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator>Pax Starksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: you are much too conservative in your estimates; the war in Iraq began on 03/20/03, FIVE+ years ago. 
Further, your estimates of the financial costs are way too low! I suggest that you review &quot;The Three Trillion Dollar War&quot; by the Nobel Award winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz.
Pax.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: you are much too conservative in your estimates; the war in Iraq began on 03/20/03, FIVE+ years ago.<br />
Further, your estimates of the financial costs are way too low! I suggest that you review &#8220;The Three Trillion Dollar War&#8221; by the Nobel Award winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz.<br />
Pax.<br />
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		<title>By: Helen Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-1027</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a personal point of view, I have two comments on this article.

First, as a teenage child of an MIA from the Vietnam war, I became disillusioned with the U.S. military, and with war, in general.  &quot;Lies were told&quot; to the American populace, in the name of &quot;national security&quot;. Similar lies continue to this day, for the same alleged reason.  If more politicians believed in resolving their cognitive dissonance about mistakes by telling the truth, the American people would probably experience a great increase in their faith toward the U.S. government. 

Secondly, as a psychology professional, I watched myself and others deal with cognitive dissonance by strengthening weak arguments.  It is a cowardly and a weak strategy, but it assists professionals in &quot;getting through the day&quot;.  I encourage the day when we in our culture face our weaknesses, admit them, and cope with the results--rather than bolstering our weakness and fears with false arguments made stronger by increasing lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a personal point of view, I have two comments on this article.</p>
<p>First, as a teenage child of an MIA from the Vietnam war, I became disillusioned with the U.S. military, and with war, in general.  &#8220;Lies were told&#8221; to the American populace, in the name of &#8220;national security&#8221;. Similar lies continue to this day, for the same alleged reason.  If more politicians believed in resolving their cognitive dissonance about mistakes by telling the truth, the American people would probably experience a great increase in their faith toward the U.S. government. </p>
<p>Secondly, as a psychology professional, I watched myself and others deal with cognitive dissonance by strengthening weak arguments.  It is a cowardly and a weak strategy, but it assists professionals in &#8220;getting through the day&#8221;.  I encourage the day when we in our culture face our weaknesses, admit them, and cope with the results&#8211;rather than bolstering our weakness and fears with false arguments made stronger by increasing lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank James</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/05/bushs-mistake-and-kennedys-error/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a well done article and I would like to see the War On Drugs get the same analysis.  I think cognitive dissonance describes the behavior of most religious followers pushing for this war but leaves out the more malicious bully cult leaders and the sadistic joy they feel at the pain of others. 

It looks to me like we are punishing religious moral taboos against self-pleasuring but pretending we are protecting health and safety.  The fact that we are doing vastly more damage to rule of law, international relations, our economy, civil rights and individuals than we are gaining through protecting anything seems like cognitive dissonance to me.  How can we be both the world leader in freedom and liberty and arrest 840,000 pot users each year?

That this has gone on for decades but has seen otherwise responsible skeptics and scientists look the other way makes me think they are afraid to confront this dangerous abuse of power and influence from religious sources.

I&#039;ve watched this for more than 35 years and, as a skeptic and student of the sciences I am increasingly alarmed and disgusted.  Please address this subject?  It is an international disaster.

Your reader,

Hank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a well done article and I would like to see the War On Drugs get the same analysis.  I think cognitive dissonance describes the behavior of most religious followers pushing for this war but leaves out the more malicious bully cult leaders and the sadistic joy they feel at the pain of others. </p>
<p>It looks to me like we are punishing religious moral taboos against self-pleasuring but pretending we are protecting health and safety.  The fact that we are doing vastly more damage to rule of law, international relations, our economy, civil rights and individuals than we are gaining through protecting anything seems like cognitive dissonance to me.  How can we be both the world leader in freedom and liberty and arrest 840,000 pot users each year?</p>
<p>That this has gone on for decades but has seen otherwise responsible skeptics and scientists look the other way makes me think they are afraid to confront this dangerous abuse of power and influence from religious sources.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched this for more than 35 years and, as a skeptic and student of the sciences I am increasingly alarmed and disgusted.  Please address this subject?  It is an international disaster.</p>
<p>Your reader,</p>
<p>Hank</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Milstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Milstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How appropriate this discussion is to the interview aired on NPR yesterday and today with Doug Feith, former high ranking Pentagon official.  His only fault with respect to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, to hear him tell it, was in not being more assertive.  Otherwise, he had it exactly right, and no one can tell him otherwise.  Maybe, in thirty or forty years, he will have a &quot;McNamara moment&quot;.  If I were McNamara, I would check myself into detention at the Hague for suspected war crimes.  It amazes me that Kissinger and McNamara, among many many others, can continue to live with themselves.  The interior of their heads should be very noisy dissonant places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How appropriate this discussion is to the interview aired on NPR yesterday and today with Doug Feith, former high ranking Pentagon official.  His only fault with respect to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, to hear him tell it, was in not being more assertive.  Otherwise, he had it exactly right, and no one can tell him otherwise.  Maybe, in thirty or forty years, he will have a &#8220;McNamara moment&#8221;.  If I were McNamara, I would check myself into detention at the Hague for suspected war crimes.  It amazes me that Kissinger and McNamara, among many many others, can continue to live with themselves.  The interior of their heads should be very noisy dissonant places.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark A. Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, as someone who has been &quot;proselytizing&quot; against cognitive dissonance and self-delusion almost since birth, this commentary is going in my intellectual toolbox.  Thanks for preaching to this member of the choir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, as someone who has been &#8220;proselytizing&#8221; against cognitive dissonance and self-delusion almost since birth, this commentary is going in my intellectual toolbox.  Thanks for preaching to this member of the choir.</p>
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