Comments on: 9/11 “Truthers” Harass Shermer on Book Tour

By: Cory Withers

Cory Withers — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 02:12:12 +0000

To all of you who consider yourselves skeptics, would you consider Daniel Ellsberg a crazy conspiracy theorist? Do your baseless psychological evaluations apply to him as well?

While we’re all appealing to various authorities in this debate, I’m gonna put a bit more faith in Ellsberg’s ability to tell the difference between a conspiracy a “crazy conspiracy theory” over Michael Shermer’s (no matter how much I respect him on other topics).

http://binarystreams.areavoices.com/2011/12/10/a-letter-to-an-atheist-community/

By: Skeptic Griggsy

Skeptic Griggsy — Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:36:15 +0000

CDG and the other nuts, why don’t you take off your blinders and actually study what real experts maintain? Oh, that would upself you!
We hope that bystanders who are not that caught up in being so nutty or not at all nutty will accept the truth.
Skeptics should never lie about claims, distort facts, quote wrongly and deny the evidence as those fools do.
This skeptic finds those fools love to let others deride them so they can feel better! Why do they have so law self-esteem?

By: hicusdicus

hicusdicus — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 21:10:28 +0000

The 911 conspiracy theories are just more positive truth that human intelligence is the most over rated commodity on this planet. Don’t forget that we never did land on the moon, it was all just a government spoof. Where is that big asteroid strike when we need one? It would give intelligence a chance for a come back.

By: CDG

CDG — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:40:42 +0000

I can’t believe that Skeptics are engaging in logical fallacies regarding 9/11.

Always amazed me. Skeptics who are allegedly for truth.. and the right to question.. yet.. they believe, hook line and sinker an “official” report from the U.S. Govt.

and insinuate condescendingly that those who speak out.. are “wackos” or ooooh “CONSPIRACY theorists” or even worse.. “HOLOCAUST Deniers”.. effective use of a logical Fallacy.. disarm your opponent with accusations…

I suggest that folks investigate Jan Irvin’s Gnostic Media website and Mark Passio’s What on Earth is Happening. Jan Irvin has been discussing in detail the TRIVIUM and QUADRIVIUM as well as Critical thinking skills.

Peace

By: Moranen

Moranen — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:38:28 +0000

In addition, those who claim that there are holes are simply claiming that irregular rubble and irregular holes made after the war are the alleged ‘Zyklon B holes’. The Krema II morgue 1 roof is at least 1/3 intact, so there definetely should be at least 1 or 2 square holes. There are no square holes. And no Zyklon B residues. I spent in Auschwitz 4 days.

By: Moranen

Moranen — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:23:34 +0000

I explain the “No holes, no ‘Holocaust’”. According to structural engineering there definetely had to have been the 4 alleged square holes in the roof of Krematorium II morgue 1, if the ‘gassings’ had happened there as claimed. There are no holes. Therefore according to structural engineering the alleged gassings could not have happened as claimed. In addition there is no Zyklon B residue; gassings did not happen there.

There is a hierarhy of evidence: material evidence, and documentary evidence always will refute witness testimony. Eyewitnesses are the most unreliable form of evidence. There is no other evidence about the alleged ‘gassings’ than witness claims. Chemistry and engineering have refuted witnesses. Gassings did not happen in Krema II. Therefore, because gassings did not happen in Krema II, they did not happen in Krema III either, because it was a mirror image, and the same witnesses who had lied about Krema II similarly lied about Krema III. Therefore, at least 750,000 “gassing victims” have to be reduced. And because the gassings were a lie in Krema II & III, they too were a lie in other places in Auschwitz. The same witnesses claimed ‘gassings’ for the other places.

Gassings in Auschwitz did not happen. And because they did not happen in Auschwitz, it’s just stupid to believe that they happened in Aktion Reinhard, using diesel or gasoline gases. (Google: Dissecting the Holocaust.)

By: Misnomered

Misnomered — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:01:49 +0000

As annoying as these Troofers are, after 9/11, I certainly wondered about disparities between what the 9/11 Commission reported and basic Newtonian and Galilean physics–just recalling physics classes in high school.

We should study not only the physical evidence but the actions of various governments with as many documents as we can get a hold of. Granted, many of us are rightly skeptical about the “troofers” and how much they really have examined the evidence and on what authority they are basing their judgements.

Though much of the evidence as to what happened was quickly removed within hours of these tragedies and much closeup filming of the events was confiscated–in addition, none have yet been made available for study by independent scientists, we skeptics would do well to at least examine what evidence has been left for us to examine and draw our own conclusions and test as well we can the claims of the “troofers”. It could well be that there is nothing there to validate their claims of conspiracy. However, I am as skepical of the government as I am of the Troofers.

On the one hand, why are the people in government dragging their heels so long in producing hard evidence of what happened. Why don’t they present the actual physical artifacts for independent forensic scientists to study–just like they do in all other airline crashes and building disasters?

On the other hand, what hard evidence do the “Troofers” have to back up their allegations of conspiracy between the U.S. government and international bankers, corporations, etc.?

With you, I am skeptical about knee-jerk reactionary rhetoric about “conspiracy”. But with the “Troofers”, I believe the U.S. citizenry deserve to have some basic, common-sense questions answered, preferably by an independent group of scientists with no obligations to anyone and no axe to grind.

By: Charles

Charles — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:48:12 +0000

Hmmm, I must say, WTC7 certainly did look like a controlled demolition and we have the eyewitness testimony of Barry Jennings who was in the building before either tower collapsed. He states “We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor…”. He goes on to testify that he was trapped for the next hour and a half during which time he hears explosions going off throughout the building. While trapped, he’s calling out a window for help but notes that both towers are still standing. I’m certain Shermer will have a good explanation for this, but I’d be more interested in hearing the hard evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks, since the FBI admits they don’t have any.

By: Lisa

Lisa — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:37:08 +0000

They are REALLY being careful what they will allow to be posted under these comments. They allowed a lot of links to be posted that “debunk” the 9/11 “conspiracy theories,” yet when I tried posting links that give huge lists of architects, engineers, professors, victim’ family members, 9/11 survivors, pilots, and aviation professionals, the post was removed. Perhaps by some chance they’re still “approving” the post, but I said very little. I just stated that these people are what someone above is calling “losers in the game of life.” Were the links somehow threatening to them? Did it give too much credibility to the “conspiracy theorists,” so it had to be removed? That kind of filtering of information has happened a LOT around this issue. I hope you skeptics realize that.

By: Lisa

Lisa — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:55:01 +0000

Here are just some of the people Pam Miller is calling “losers in the game of life.”

Architects & Engineers
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Pilots & Aviation Professionals
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

Survivors & Family Members
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Senior Military, Intelligence & Government Officials
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Professors
http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html