Comments on: 9/11 “Truthers” Harass Shermer on Book Tour http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/ books, essays, columns, reviews, and multimedia clips of famed skeptic Michael Shermer Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:27:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Moranen http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2257 Moranen Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:38:28 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2257 In addition, those who claim that there are holes are simply claiming that irregular rubble and irregular holes made after the war are the alleged 'Zyklon B holes'. The Krema II morgue 1 roof is at least 1/3 intact, so there definetely should be at least 1 or 2 square holes. There are no square holes. And no Zyklon B residues. I spent in Auschwitz 4 days. In addition, those who claim that there are holes are simply claiming that irregular rubble and irregular holes made after the war are the alleged ‘Zyklon B holes’. The Krema II morgue 1 roof is at least 1/3 intact, so there definetely should be at least 1 or 2 square holes. There are no square holes. And no Zyklon B residues. I spent in Auschwitz 4 days.

]]> By: Moranen http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2256 Moranen Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:23:34 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2256 I explain the "No holes, no 'Holocaust'". According to structural engineering there definetely had to have been the 4 alleged square holes in the roof of Krematorium II morgue 1, if the 'gassings' had happened there as claimed. There are no holes. Therefore according to structural engineering the alleged gassings could not have happened as claimed. In addition there is no Zyklon B residue; gassings did not happen there. There is a hierarhy of evidence: material evidence, and documentary evidence always will refute witness testimony. Eyewitnesses are the most unreliable form of evidence. There is no other evidence about the alleged 'gassings' than witness claims. Chemistry and engineering have refuted witnesses. Gassings did not happen in Krema II. Therefore, because gassings did not happen in Krema II, they did not happen in Krema III either, because it was a mirror image, and the same witnesses who had lied about Krema II similarly lied about Krema III. Therefore, at least 750,000 "gassing victims" have to be reduced. And because the gassings were a lie in Krema II & III, they too were a lie in other places in Auschwitz. The same witnesses claimed 'gassings' for the other places. Gassings in Auschwitz did not happen. And because they did not happen in Auschwitz, it's just stupid to believe that they happened in Aktion Reinhard, using diesel or gasoline gases. (Google: Dissecting the Holocaust.) I explain the “No holes, no ‘Holocaust’”. According to structural engineering there definetely had to have been the 4 alleged square holes in the roof of Krematorium II morgue 1, if the ‘gassings’ had happened there as claimed. There are no holes. Therefore according to structural engineering the alleged gassings could not have happened as claimed. In addition there is no Zyklon B residue; gassings did not happen there.

There is a hierarhy of evidence: material evidence, and documentary evidence always will refute witness testimony. Eyewitnesses are the most unreliable form of evidence. There is no other evidence about the alleged ‘gassings’ than witness claims. Chemistry and engineering have refuted witnesses. Gassings did not happen in Krema II. Therefore, because gassings did not happen in Krema II, they did not happen in Krema III either, because it was a mirror image, and the same witnesses who had lied about Krema II similarly lied about Krema III. Therefore, at least 750,000 “gassing victims” have to be reduced. And because the gassings were a lie in Krema II & III, they too were a lie in other places in Auschwitz. The same witnesses claimed ‘gassings’ for the other places.

Gassings in Auschwitz did not happen. And because they did not happen in Auschwitz, it’s just stupid to believe that they happened in Aktion Reinhard, using diesel or gasoline gases. (Google: Dissecting the Holocaust.)

]]> By: Misnomered http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2203 Misnomered Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:01:49 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2203 As annoying as these Troofers are, after 9/11, I certainly wondered about disparities between what the 9/11 Commission reported and basic Newtonian and Galilean physics--just recalling physics classes in high school. We should study not only the physical evidence but the actions of various governments with as many documents as we can get a hold of. Granted, many of us are rightly skeptical about the "troofers" and how much they really have examined the evidence and on what authority they are basing their judgements. Though much of the evidence as to what happened was quickly removed within hours of these tragedies and much closeup filming of the events was confiscated--in addition, none have yet been made available for study by independent scientists, we skeptics would do well to at least examine what evidence has been left for us to examine and draw our own conclusions and test as well we can the claims of the "troofers". It could well be that there is nothing there to validate their claims of conspiracy. However, I am as skepical of the government as I am of the Troofers. On the one hand, why are the people in government dragging their heels so long in producing hard evidence of what happened. Why don't they present the actual physical artifacts for independent forensic scientists to study--just like they do in all other airline crashes and building disasters? On the other hand, what hard evidence do the "Troofers" have to back up their allegations of conspiracy between the U.S. government and international bankers, corporations, etc.? With you, I am skeptical about knee-jerk reactionary rhetoric about "conspiracy". But with the "Troofers", I believe the U.S. citizenry deserve to have some basic, common-sense questions answered, preferably by an independent group of scientists with no obligations to anyone and no axe to grind. As annoying as these Troofers are, after 9/11, I certainly wondered about disparities between what the 9/11 Commission reported and basic Newtonian and Galilean physics–just recalling physics classes in high school.

We should study not only the physical evidence but the actions of various governments with as many documents as we can get a hold of. Granted, many of us are rightly skeptical about the “troofers” and how much they really have examined the evidence and on what authority they are basing their judgements.

Though much of the evidence as to what happened was quickly removed within hours of these tragedies and much closeup filming of the events was confiscated–in addition, none have yet been made available for study by independent scientists, we skeptics would do well to at least examine what evidence has been left for us to examine and draw our own conclusions and test as well we can the claims of the “troofers”. It could well be that there is nothing there to validate their claims of conspiracy. However, I am as skepical of the government as I am of the Troofers.

On the one hand, why are the people in government dragging their heels so long in producing hard evidence of what happened. Why don’t they present the actual physical artifacts for independent forensic scientists to study–just like they do in all other airline crashes and building disasters?

On the other hand, what hard evidence do the “Troofers” have to back up their allegations of conspiracy between the U.S. government and international bankers, corporations, etc.?

With you, I am skeptical about knee-jerk reactionary rhetoric about “conspiracy”. But with the “Troofers”, I believe the U.S. citizenry deserve to have some basic, common-sense questions answered, preferably by an independent group of scientists with no obligations to anyone and no axe to grind.

]]> By: Charles http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2189 Charles Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:48:12 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2189 Hmmm, I must say, WTC7 certainly did look like a controlled demolition and we have the eyewitness testimony of Barry Jennings who was in the building before either tower collapsed. He states "We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor...". He goes on to testify that he was trapped for the next hour and a half during which time he hears explosions going off throughout the building. While trapped, he's calling out a window for help but notes that both towers are still standing. I'm certain Shermer will have a good explanation for this, but I'd be more interested in hearing the hard evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks, since the FBI admits they don't have any. Hmmm, I must say, WTC7 certainly did look like a controlled demolition and we have the eyewitness testimony of Barry Jennings who was in the building before either tower collapsed. He states “We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor…”. He goes on to testify that he was trapped for the next hour and a half during which time he hears explosions going off throughout the building. While trapped, he’s calling out a window for help but notes that both towers are still standing. I’m certain Shermer will have a good explanation for this, but I’d be more interested in hearing the hard evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks, since the FBI admits they don’t have any.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2073 Lisa Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:37:08 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2073 They are REALLY being careful what they will allow to be posted under these comments. They allowed a lot of links to be posted that "debunk" the 9/11 "conspiracy theories," yet when I tried posting links that give huge lists of architects, engineers, professors, victim' family members, 9/11 survivors, pilots, and aviation professionals, the post was removed. Perhaps by some chance they're still "approving" the post, but I said very little. I just stated that these people are what someone above is calling "losers in the game of life." Were the links somehow threatening to them? Did it give too much credibility to the "conspiracy theorists," so it had to be removed? That kind of filtering of information has happened a LOT around this issue. I hope you skeptics realize that. They are REALLY being careful what they will allow to be posted under these comments. They allowed a lot of links to be posted that “debunk” the 9/11 “conspiracy theories,” yet when I tried posting links that give huge lists of architects, engineers, professors, victim’ family members, 9/11 survivors, pilots, and aviation professionals, the post was removed. Perhaps by some chance they’re still “approving” the post, but I said very little. I just stated that these people are what someone above is calling “losers in the game of life.” Were the links somehow threatening to them? Did it give too much credibility to the “conspiracy theorists,” so it had to be removed? That kind of filtering of information has happened a LOT around this issue. I hope you skeptics realize that.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-2069 Lisa Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:55:01 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-2069 Here are just some of the people Pam Miller is calling "losers in the game of life." Architects & Engineers http://www.ae911truth.org/ Pilots & Aviation Professionals http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html Survivors & Family Members http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html Senior Military, Intelligence & Government Officials http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Professors http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html Here are just some of the people Pam Miller is calling “losers in the game of life.”

Architects & Engineers
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Pilots & Aviation Professionals
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

Survivors & Family Members
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Senior Military, Intelligence & Government Officials
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Professors
http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

]]> By: Rich http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-1985 Rich Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:06:31 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-1985 Tired games... This man tries to equate "the 9/11 truth movement" (seeking, NOT proclaiming) with anti-semitism... (Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn) "Conspiracy Theorist" "kook" "Truthers" "kool-aid drinkers" tin foil hat wearers" OR Psyhcological propaganda technique to discredit a dis-enfranchised public by the very people who dis-enfranchised them.... Anybody defending the official story when the government acts like a monster... welll...... You be the judge. - ONLY you... DO NOT LET THIS GUY TELL YOU HOW TO THINK! - BE YOUR OWN CHAMPION, BE YOUR OWN LEADER, USE YOUR OWN DISCERNMENT - GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, LIVE LEARN LOVE - WE ARE CHANGE - DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. Tired games… This man tries to equate “the 9/11 truth movement” (seeking, NOT proclaiming) with anti-semitism…

(Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn)

“Conspiracy Theorist” “kook” “Truthers” “kool-aid drinkers” tin foil hat wearers”

OR

Psyhcological propaganda technique to discredit a dis-enfranchised public by the very people who dis-enfranchised them…. Anybody defending the official story when the government acts like a monster… welll……

You be the judge. – ONLY you… DO NOT LET THIS GUY TELL YOU HOW TO THINK! – BE YOUR OWN CHAMPION, BE YOUR OWN LEADER, USE YOUR OWN DISCERNMENT – GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, LIVE LEARN LOVE – WE ARE CHANGE – DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

]]> By: hrvoje http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-1963 hrvoje Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:04:58 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-1963 That's right, our government loves us. Every day they are doing best they can do to make our lives better. Go back to sleep, big brother is watching over you. That’s right, our government loves us. Every day they are doing best they can do to make our lives better. Go back to sleep, big brother is watching over you.

]]> By: All I really needed to know I learned from playing Starcraft « Den of Hydralisks http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-1956 All I really needed to know I learned from playing Starcraft « Den of Hydralisks Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:11:59 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-1956 [...] without a Truther present in the audience to stand up and press him with uncomfortable questions. When he reported this at his website, Truthers emerged from the four corners of the Internet to argue against [...] [...] without a Truther present in the audience to stand up and press him with uncomfortable questions. When he reported this at his website, Truthers emerged from the four corners of the Internet to argue against [...]

]]> By: Mik http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/comment-page-4/#comment-1773 Mik Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:52:23 +0000 http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/911-truthers-harass-shermer/#comment-1773 AT the moment of the attacks I watched in horror along with the world. I love my country and want to see Americans looked at with pride and respect. The results of the Bush Administration and the unknown global powers of the Central banking organizations make for interesting and treasonable bed fellows. As an American I call for the citizens of this great and noble nation to stop watching silly shows and focus on your LIBERTY! Do the honest research as caring Americans about the 911 attacks. This issue will not just vanish because it is important to each and every individual in this country and therefore the World. The number of people questioning this is growing daily and the issue itself rips at the core of faith, morality, trust. This is why we should pursue further investigation into the events before, during and after 911. Don't tare this nation apart with out confirming the facts fully! Mike AT the moment of the attacks I watched in horror along with the world. I love my country and want to see Americans looked at with pride and respect. The results of the Bush Administration and the unknown global powers of the Central banking organizations make for interesting and treasonable bed fellows. As an American I call for the citizens of this great and noble nation to stop watching silly shows and focus on your LIBERTY! Do the honest research as caring Americans about the 911 attacks. This issue will not just vanish because it is important to each and every individual in this country and therefore the World. The number of people questioning this is growing daily and the issue itself rips at the core of faith, morality, trust. This is why we should pursue further investigation into the events before, during and after 911. Don’t tare this nation apart with out confirming the facts fully!

Mike

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