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	<title>Comments on: Why We Should Trade with Cuba</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Hogsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Hogsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well hell yeah michael glad to see that you&#039;re doing some good. a few things i wish you&#039;d address. as much as i seeing you and others attacking alternative medicine, how about going after western medicine and its failures. and how about lifting up those aspects of alternative medicine that have proven to be beneficial and legit? also i fail to see you give proper coverage to people like noam chomsky and edward s herman. furthermore why don&#039;t you people foster real debate and scientific studies with those you don&#039;t agree with. personally i find most of you skeptics and people that believe in the paranormal pathetic. you guys don&#039;t investigate shit. you sit around and criticize each other. how about you investigate something for a change. also i found your personal experience with vitamin therapy to be quite, well fucking ridiculous. you mean to tell me you were taking vitamins predicated on the basis that you would win a bicycle race? i mean sometimes i feel like victims of this kind of stupidity and televangilists get what they deserve. you can dismiss all of vitamin therapy due to your own stupidity or naivete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well hell yeah michael glad to see that you&#8217;re doing some good. a few things i wish you&#8217;d address. as much as i seeing you and others attacking alternative medicine, how about going after western medicine and its failures. and how about lifting up those aspects of alternative medicine that have proven to be beneficial and legit? also i fail to see you give proper coverage to people like noam chomsky and edward s herman. furthermore why don&#8217;t you people foster real debate and scientific studies with those you don&#8217;t agree with. personally i find most of you skeptics and people that believe in the paranormal pathetic. you guys don&#8217;t investigate shit. you sit around and criticize each other. how about you investigate something for a change. also i found your personal experience with vitamin therapy to be quite, well fucking ridiculous. you mean to tell me you were taking vitamins predicated on the basis that you would win a bicycle race? i mean sometimes i feel like victims of this kind of stupidity and televangilists get what they deserve. you can dismiss all of vitamin therapy due to your own stupidity or naivete.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During your speech at the Cato Institute on C-Span you mentioned how in a specific experiment if one of your &quot;starving students&quot; offered 10 to his partner and kept 90 (out of 100) for participating in the experiment, the partner typically refused due to a feeling of unfairness.

I see a parallel between this and the Cuba dilemma. That is, we may feel that we are receiving much less than the huge gains that could be gained by the government (ie Communist Party) of Cuba. It may also be that by engaging in trade, we feel we may become a contributor to a continuance of human rights violations taking place in the island. If this is true, then it could provide an argument for being against trade, just as it is the argument for the partner student who refuses to take 10 knowing the other student is taking 90.

Also, I would mention that many trade agreements (e.g. NAFTA) are not designed to provide equal gains for both sides, but rather each side tries to maximize his/her gains. Hence, many of these trade agreements contain more than 3000 pages worth of rules, regulations, and stipulations. A true free trade agreement would be one line that reads: &quot;All tariffs and quotas will be removed along with any barrier mechanisms to free trade between both parties.&quot; Unfortunately, this is never the case and this partly why there is so much opposition to so called free trade agreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During your speech at the Cato Institute on C-Span you mentioned how in a specific experiment if one of your &#8220;starving students&#8221; offered 10 to his partner and kept 90 (out of 100) for participating in the experiment, the partner typically refused due to a feeling of unfairness.</p>
<p>I see a parallel between this and the Cuba dilemma. That is, we may feel that we are receiving much less than the huge gains that could be gained by the government (ie Communist Party) of Cuba. It may also be that by engaging in trade, we feel we may become a contributor to a continuance of human rights violations taking place in the island. If this is true, then it could provide an argument for being against trade, just as it is the argument for the partner student who refuses to take 10 knowing the other student is taking 90.</p>
<p>Also, I would mention that many trade agreements (e.g. NAFTA) are not designed to provide equal gains for both sides, but rather each side tries to maximize his/her gains. Hence, many of these trade agreements contain more than 3000 pages worth of rules, regulations, and stipulations. A true free trade agreement would be one line that reads: &#8220;All tariffs and quotas will be removed along with any barrier mechanisms to free trade between both parties.&#8221; Unfortunately, this is never the case and this partly why there is so much opposition to so called free trade agreements.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes you wonder why our great Empire is so afraid of a little island that has not been a threat since the Russians removed their missiles over 40 years ago.  It can&#039;t be because they are communist because the US has no problem trading with the biggest communist country of all, China, who even has hundreds of nuclear weapons to boot. Either our government is full of complete and utter cowards or worse, they are just a bunch of bullies picking on weak nobodies.  Scary thought! Makes you wonder who they are going to pick on next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes you wonder why our great Empire is so afraid of a little island that has not been a threat since the Russians removed their missiles over 40 years ago.  It can&#8217;t be because they are communist because the US has no problem trading with the biggest communist country of all, China, who even has hundreds of nuclear weapons to boot. Either our government is full of complete and utter cowards or worse, they are just a bunch of bullies picking on weak nobodies.  Scary thought! Makes you wonder who they are going to pick on next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RHM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some good points. 

The Cuban Embargo has been a miserable failure that we can add to our list of foreign policy blunders. It&#039;s time to end this one and move on. Fidel and his cronies have yet to miss a meal since 1959. The Cuban people have suffered not just as a direct result of his policies, but because of our embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some good points. </p>
<p>The Cuban Embargo has been a miserable failure that we can add to our list of foreign policy blunders. It&#8217;s time to end this one and move on. Fidel and his cronies have yet to miss a meal since 1959. The Cuban people have suffered not just as a direct result of his policies, but because of our embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the following historic examples may provide an interesting perspective.

Making the case for trading with the capitalist countries Lenin once said: “The capitalists will sell us the rope on which we are going to hang them” and, as people in Eastern European countries can testify, eventually they did.

In the years prior to the WWII, Germany proceeded to break international treaties one by one. Following one of the most flagrant ones (default on its financial obligations to the british creditors), UK government considered applying the trade sanctions. Given the dependence of german rearmament program on the imports from the british empire, the sanctions could have hurt pretty badly. However, for the fear of escalating the conflict and strengthening the “hawks” in the Reich, the idea was dropped.

Later, during the preparation stage of the Barbarossa plan, when british imports were no longer available, the German Reich badly needed to increase the import of metals and grain. So the Fuhrer declared the export to the USSR, which was used as payment for the import, to have the same priority as the armaments production.  
So much for “a self-enforcing cycle of trust”.

Certainly, arguments can be made in favor of trading with the regimes we don’t like. Just let’s not forget that at some point this trade may also backfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the following historic examples may provide an interesting perspective.</p>
<p>Making the case for trading with the capitalist countries Lenin once said: “The capitalists will sell us the rope on which we are going to hang them” and, as people in Eastern European countries can testify, eventually they did.</p>
<p>In the years prior to the WWII, Germany proceeded to break international treaties one by one. Following one of the most flagrant ones (default on its financial obligations to the british creditors), UK government considered applying the trade sanctions. Given the dependence of german rearmament program on the imports from the british empire, the sanctions could have hurt pretty badly. However, for the fear of escalating the conflict and strengthening the “hawks” in the Reich, the idea was dropped.</p>
<p>Later, during the preparation stage of the Barbarossa plan, when british imports were no longer available, the German Reich badly needed to increase the import of metals and grain. So the Fuhrer declared the export to the USSR, which was used as payment for the import, to have the same priority as the armaments production.<br />
So much for “a self-enforcing cycle of trust”.</p>
<p>Certainly, arguments can be made in favor of trading with the regimes we don’t like. Just let’s not forget that at some point this trade may also backfire.</p>
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