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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2009/07/i-want-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to give kudos to everyone who posted. After reading the article and thereafter the comments I have to tread back a good ways to remember where all of this began. Well done on 100. It seems that everyone here is aiming at a different bulls eye and defending it as though we were all shooting for the same star. This is good. This is excellent, and this is what makes humanity such a resillient artifact. Granted, in the scheme of our little blue rock we&#039;ve only had a very limited scope to begin this great quest to define everything here and as much as we can in the incomprehensible universe beyond, but the steam that moves our human train starts with converstations such as this. Passionate disagreements fuel a search for truth that has many losers and few victors, but often the motivation to disprove seems relevant enough when people who perceive themselves so enlightened step beyond what is and into speculation. Let us not get caught up in some fraternal game of semantics when we are all searching for elements of the same truth. Our journey as a truth-seeking, scientifically particular species has only JUST begun; several hundred years of scientific inquiry is something to be proud of but truly a mosquito fart in the immense scope of time as we know it. Let us pat ourselves on the back with humility, and continue to challenge one another in our search for truth. And cheers to all for your excellent dialogue.
-benjamin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to give kudos to everyone who posted. After reading the article and thereafter the comments I have to tread back a good ways to remember where all of this began. Well done on 100. It seems that everyone here is aiming at a different bulls eye and defending it as though we were all shooting for the same star. This is good. This is excellent, and this is what makes humanity such a resillient artifact. Granted, in the scheme of our little blue rock we&#8217;ve only had a very limited scope to begin this great quest to define everything here and as much as we can in the incomprehensible universe beyond, but the steam that moves our human train starts with converstations such as this. Passionate disagreements fuel a search for truth that has many losers and few victors, but often the motivation to disprove seems relevant enough when people who perceive themselves so enlightened step beyond what is and into speculation. Let us not get caught up in some fraternal game of semantics when we are all searching for elements of the same truth. Our journey as a truth-seeking, scientifically particular species has only JUST begun; several hundred years of scientific inquiry is something to be proud of but truly a mosquito fart in the immense scope of time as we know it. Let us pat ourselves on the back with humility, and continue to challenge one another in our search for truth. And cheers to all for your excellent dialogue.<br />
-benjamin</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2009/07/i-want-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-3782</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The null hypothesis is wrong because it denies the existence of everything we don&#039;t understand - or simply cannot yet measure.  If we applied it to the past, we would have had to conclude that people were crazy for investigating magnetism, electricity, the strong and weak forces, etc..  It denies what cannot be explained or measured.  But there was a time in which we could not explain or measure electricity or magnetism.  N.H. would have forced us to believe these forces simply did not exist.

There&#039;s a fine line between blind belief, curiosity, and disbelief.  When there&#039;s evidence that something exists - but it still defies our attempts to explain or measure it.  Then we should simply believe that something exists - but we cannot yet explain or measure it.  I&#039;ve seen evidence of &quot;ghosts&quot; first hand - enough to believe there&#039;s something there.  But I&#039;m simply at a loss to explain it.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with acknowledging the existence of something you cannot yet explain.

Think about it.  If I came up with a drug that conferred immortality to 1% of the population, the FDA could not approve it because it only works on 1% of the population.  The null hypothesis would prevent them from believing that immortality exists simply because it did not work 99% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The null hypothesis is wrong because it denies the existence of everything we don&#8217;t understand &#8211; or simply cannot yet measure.  If we applied it to the past, we would have had to conclude that people were crazy for investigating magnetism, electricity, the strong and weak forces, etc..  It denies what cannot be explained or measured.  But there was a time in which we could not explain or measure electricity or magnetism.  N.H. would have forced us to believe these forces simply did not exist.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a fine line between blind belief, curiosity, and disbelief.  When there&#8217;s evidence that something exists &#8211; but it still defies our attempts to explain or measure it.  Then we should simply believe that something exists &#8211; but we cannot yet explain or measure it.  I&#8217;ve seen evidence of &#8220;ghosts&#8221; first hand &#8211; enough to believe there&#8217;s something there.  But I&#8217;m simply at a loss to explain it.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with acknowledging the existence of something you cannot yet explain.</p>
<p>Think about it.  If I came up with a drug that conferred immortality to 1% of the population, the FDA could not approve it because it only works on 1% of the population.  The null hypothesis would prevent them from believing that immortality exists simply because it did not work 99% of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: PiotrK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiotrK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TrekGirl: it is not an &quot;anecdotal case&quot;, but historically proven fact. History is not exact science - it&#039;s based on documents and witnesses. There is a notarial act and documentation about thousands of witnesses. 

So, what is wrong with that case? The only thing, which is wrong, is that it does not fit the hypothesis that there are no miracles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TrekGirl: it is not an &#8220;anecdotal case&#8221;, but historically proven fact. History is not exact science &#8211; it&#8217;s based on documents and witnesses. There is a notarial act and documentation about thousands of witnesses. </p>
<p>So, what is wrong with that case? The only thing, which is wrong, is that it does not fit the hypothesis that there are no miracles.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto Tellick</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2009/07/i-want-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto Tellick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert:

If by &quot;love&quot; you mean the strange, wonderful &quot;tickling&quot; sensation you sometimes (often?) feel in your chest when you look at your child or your life partner, this is presumably a physiological event, but considering our current tools and methods for scientific inquiry, trying to contrive the conditions that would be needed to record and measure this event objectively would be extremely difficult, bordering on inhumane or impossible.  Still, anyone who has felt it knows that it happens. Those who haven&#039;t felt it just have to decide for themselves whether the &quot;inter-subjective agreement&quot; among those who have should be accepted as sufficient evidence.

If by &quot;love&quot; you mean the willingness to act primarily for the benefit of others, even when this will yield only a deficit (or at least no direct benefit) to yourself, it&#039;s easy enough to prove the existence of such behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert:</p>
<p>If by &#8220;love&#8221; you mean the strange, wonderful &#8220;tickling&#8221; sensation you sometimes (often?) feel in your chest when you look at your child or your life partner, this is presumably a physiological event, but considering our current tools and methods for scientific inquiry, trying to contrive the conditions that would be needed to record and measure this event objectively would be extremely difficult, bordering on inhumane or impossible.  Still, anyone who has felt it knows that it happens. Those who haven&#8217;t felt it just have to decide for themselves whether the &#8220;inter-subjective agreement&#8221; among those who have should be accepted as sufficient evidence.</p>
<p>If by &#8220;love&#8221; you mean the willingness to act primarily for the benefit of others, even when this will yield only a deficit (or at least no direct benefit) to yourself, it&#8217;s easy enough to prove the existence of such behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Scotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Scotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert:

Yes they can. We can see which parts of the brain light up when people feel the emotion of love. One could make the argument that there is some sort of ethereal hippy rainbow love force floating around independently of our bodies but that&#039;d take us right back to the null hypothesis and the burden of proof would be on the weed-blazing Trustafari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert:</p>
<p>Yes they can. We can see which parts of the brain light up when people feel the emotion of love. One could make the argument that there is some sort of ethereal hippy rainbow love force floating around independently of our bodies but that&#8217;d take us right back to the null hypothesis and the burden of proof would be on the weed-blazing Trustafari.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question. Using the scientific metheod can scientits prove that love exists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question. Using the scientific metheod can scientits prove that love exists?</p>
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		<title>By: TrekGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2009/07/i-want-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-3535</link>
		<dc:creator>TrekGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PiotrK:  One anecdotal case from 370 years ago does not equal scientific evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PiotrK:  One anecdotal case from 370 years ago does not equal scientific evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Scotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Scotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David RE: Out of body experiences and ghosts.

Obviously Shermer&#039;s asking for scientific proof. Who is going to provide that evidence? Scientists. People said, &quot;Show me,&quot; when referring to evolution, electricity, the atom, and whether or not the world is round.

The idea that the null hypothesis somehow negates scientists from asking questions is silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David RE: Out of body experiences and ghosts.</p>
<p>Obviously Shermer&#8217;s asking for scientific proof. Who is going to provide that evidence? Scientists. People said, &#8220;Show me,&#8221; when referring to evolution, electricity, the atom, and whether or not the world is round.</p>
<p>The idea that the null hypothesis somehow negates scientists from asking questions is silly.</p>
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		<title>By: PiotrK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiotrK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What would compel me to believe would be something unequivocal, such as if an amputee grew a new limb.&quot;

Then, Mr Shermer, start believing :)
At least one amputated leg has been healed: Miguel Juan Pellicer lost his leg after an accident in 1637 and got it back in 1640. AFAIK it is a well documented miracle.
What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would compel me to believe would be something unequivocal, such as if an amputee grew a new limb.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, Mr Shermer, start believing :)<br />
At least one amputated leg has been healed: Miguel Juan Pellicer lost his leg after an accident in 1637 and got it back in 1640. AFAIK it is a well documented miracle.<br />
What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelshermer.com/2009/07/i-want-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-3450</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful! Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful! Thank you.</p>
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