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		<title>By: Jan Johansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Johansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see the purpose of your &quot;service,&quot; since true science needs no defense, and progress in science comes from those who are not skeptical, but open minded. 

Sound skepticism has its place in the research/ testing phase, simply to find out what works or not. In the idea phase you apply imaginations as freely as you can (think outside the box). Your “religion” seems to be opposite, out of fear, and every time I meet these atheists, and they come across just a religious as Hindus. 

Yes, people believe a lot of things, so what? They might be “victims” of religious - and other con artists, they might learn to look out for themselves that way. The so called &quot;educated classes&quot; believe a lot of things too, which cause more problems for society, then folklore, for they are often in power.

Still the worst con artists do operate within so called “scientific establishments,” simply to rip off tax payers, on scale other con artists could only dream about. Here you have job to do, but you go after those, who do not get such funding, they spend their own money, as Einstein did early on, the ultimate outsider. Could that be your motive to protect the cash flow for the establishment of which you are part of? 

I personally got very sick, but refused to take so-called modern medicine, simply because it is a scientific fact, that at best it suppresses symptoms, just create others. Even medical doctors acknowledge placebo, and it’s not that difficult, the body has its own health care system. Through meditation, and changing of mental and emotional habits, I regained my health and strength at 60 +, and I did not feel as well in my 20ties. Some might call this energy medicine, of which you are skeptical about. I don’t know, I just read a pamphlet, and then experimented. The effect was almost instant, first I got better, then much worse, and obviously I got rid of a lot of toxins. Then I just got better and better, stress and tensions dissipated. 

So did I fool myself? Who cares if you are skeptical? I am engineer by profession, thus I have a scientific education, but in our profession we are used to test, and see what works. Should we start out as skeptics, we would not solve a single problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see the purpose of your &#8220;service,&#8221; since true science needs no defense, and progress in science comes from those who are not skeptical, but open minded. </p>
<p>Sound skepticism has its place in the research/ testing phase, simply to find out what works or not. In the idea phase you apply imaginations as freely as you can (think outside the box). Your “religion” seems to be opposite, out of fear, and every time I meet these atheists, and they come across just a religious as Hindus. </p>
<p>Yes, people believe a lot of things, so what? They might be “victims” of religious &#8211; and other con artists, they might learn to look out for themselves that way. The so called &#8220;educated classes&#8221; believe a lot of things too, which cause more problems for society, then folklore, for they are often in power.</p>
<p>Still the worst con artists do operate within so called “scientific establishments,” simply to rip off tax payers, on scale other con artists could only dream about. Here you have job to do, but you go after those, who do not get such funding, they spend their own money, as Einstein did early on, the ultimate outsider. Could that be your motive to protect the cash flow for the establishment of which you are part of? </p>
<p>I personally got very sick, but refused to take so-called modern medicine, simply because it is a scientific fact, that at best it suppresses symptoms, just create others. Even medical doctors acknowledge placebo, and it’s not that difficult, the body has its own health care system. Through meditation, and changing of mental and emotional habits, I regained my health and strength at 60 +, and I did not feel as well in my 20ties. Some might call this energy medicine, of which you are skeptical about. I don’t know, I just read a pamphlet, and then experimented. The effect was almost instant, first I got better, then much worse, and obviously I got rid of a lot of toxins. Then I just got better and better, stress and tensions dissipated. </p>
<p>So did I fool myself? Who cares if you are skeptical? I am engineer by profession, thus I have a scientific education, but in our profession we are used to test, and see what works. Should we start out as skeptics, we would not solve a single problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Cris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the trolls coming in here to bad-mouth the article and Mr. Shermer. If you disagree then fine, but go elsewhere and keep your opinions to yourself. 

All he&#039;s trying to point out is why people believe things at all. Unless we develop a reasonable BS filter then we end up subscribing to all sorts of nonsense (and in some cases downright weird) that in no way benefit humans, whether those beliefs are Bigfoot, WTC conspiracy or God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the trolls coming in here to bad-mouth the article and Mr. Shermer. If you disagree then fine, but go elsewhere and keep your opinions to yourself. </p>
<p>All he&#8217;s trying to point out is why people believe things at all. Unless we develop a reasonable BS filter then we end up subscribing to all sorts of nonsense (and in some cases downright weird) that in no way benefit humans, whether those beliefs are Bigfoot, WTC conspiracy or God.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M. Tomasello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M. Tomasello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you my friend, however the only thing Ive been able to come up with is that I refuse to put God in a box,or for that extent free will itself. I concider myself fortunate that I can see into the 24th layer of dimentional reality where super string theory and quanta break down. I understand it intuitively. And the extent of our understanding is actually nothing when looked at in its entirety.  We are floating around the cosmos on a speck of dust it amazes me that we inflate our self importance to the level it has become from hitler to stalin to the meekest janitor. All I really can say is that its a beautiful world and I truly hope things will be better for all involved if people will let God be God.  Why loose the sense of wonder even as adults. I am not ignorant to mans dark side either however the best I can judge is that we are capable of immense beauty or disrtuction. Godbless all of you even if you dont believe you can decide to rip me apart if you wish however Its just one persons belief and I respect and value your posts also I can say that I think psychology is truthfully a educated crock of **** Godbless and Godspeed.... 

Scott M Tomasello</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you my friend, however the only thing Ive been able to come up with is that I refuse to put God in a box,or for that extent free will itself. I concider myself fortunate that I can see into the 24th layer of dimentional reality where super string theory and quanta break down. I understand it intuitively. And the extent of our understanding is actually nothing when looked at in its entirety.  We are floating around the cosmos on a speck of dust it amazes me that we inflate our self importance to the level it has become from hitler to stalin to the meekest janitor. All I really can say is that its a beautiful world and I truly hope things will be better for all involved if people will let God be God.  Why loose the sense of wonder even as adults. I am not ignorant to mans dark side either however the best I can judge is that we are capable of immense beauty or disrtuction. Godbless all of you even if you dont believe you can decide to rip me apart if you wish however Its just one persons belief and I respect and value your posts also I can say that I think psychology is truthfully a educated crock of **** Godbless and Godspeed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Scott M Tomasello</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Shermer,

I think more meaningful to you, is that I respect who you are what what you are doing.  However, I do not see where you really addressed the question here.  Can you show me my point of error?

If you can for a moment, fall back on your psychology and explain what you would suggest or recommend to a person who presents with a lack of self-concept and no guidance for life&#039;s big decisions.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
CDC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Shermer,</p>
<p>I think more meaningful to you, is that I respect who you are what what you are doing.  However, I do not see where you really addressed the question here.  Can you show me my point of error?</p>
<p>If you can for a moment, fall back on your psychology and explain what you would suggest or recommend to a person who presents with a lack of self-concept and no guidance for life&#8217;s big decisions.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
CDC</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Schermer,

I feel myself fortunate having just stumbled upon your website and read this astute article.

Have you ever extended your analysis into the investigation of human comfort or the cognitive underpinnings of why people &quot;buy into&quot; various causes or beliefs? 

Being skeptical of &quot;Mr. Skeptic&quot; I wonder what would happen if we all jettisoned our beliefs and then worked to reconstitute them based upon scientific trial and making of provisional statements.

Being a bit of a skeptic myself, I find myself questioning whether it is better to be the quality control who picks apart the half-truths of convention (to support a more objective reality) OR the minister promulgating the half-truths with the goal of helping others (a more comforting reality).

I can tell you&#039;re very good with the &quot;how&quot; we do our thinking, but if you can&#039;t recommend a (factually based) emotionally supportive substitute system of beliefs I doubt you&#039;ll ever achieve mass adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Schermer,</p>
<p>I feel myself fortunate having just stumbled upon your website and read this astute article.</p>
<p>Have you ever extended your analysis into the investigation of human comfort or the cognitive underpinnings of why people &#8220;buy into&#8221; various causes or beliefs? </p>
<p>Being skeptical of &#8220;Mr. Skeptic&#8221; I wonder what would happen if we all jettisoned our beliefs and then worked to reconstitute them based upon scientific trial and making of provisional statements.</p>
<p>Being a bit of a skeptic myself, I find myself questioning whether it is better to be the quality control who picks apart the half-truths of convention (to support a more objective reality) OR the minister promulgating the half-truths with the goal of helping others (a more comforting reality).</p>
<p>I can tell you&#8217;re very good with the &#8220;how&#8221; we do our thinking, but if you can&#8217;t recommend a (factually based) emotionally supportive substitute system of beliefs I doubt you&#8217;ll ever achieve mass adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really addressing the question of whether belief helps us to survive, or commiserate about our sad lack of a built-in bull-shit filter, and the consequences of the evolutionary development of concepts that create our current reality but, I would like to comment on the notion that reality is either/or scientific or mythological or that one type of thinking has more value than another. 
 
Personally I know that I operate in a two brained manner (or at least that&#039;s how it feels to me), part of me operates scientifically and part of me doesn&#039;t.  When I am working I function in a very logical and methodical way: my writing is technical, my thought process is organized and I want the facts.  However, when I wish to create something new I have to enter another psychological state in order to do that.  I need to repress my organized, rational, and structured thought process, so I can create...so I can tap into that flow.  I do this by meditating, reading philosophy and religious/spiritual material, etc in order to get there; to turn that other part of my brain on. Both types of thinking are necessary for me and I want them both.

I don&#039;t believe that any of us have the ability to realize the ultimate nature of reality, in a way we are very fragmented beings.  It is no more valid to me to make the statement that God does not exist than it is to stand in a classroom and teach creationism, thereby completely denying the scientific facts regarding the nature of evolution and the development of species.  Where is the &#039;truth&#039; in either of those stances? 

The pursuit of knowledge allows us, as a species, to make rational decisions and to solve problems related to our survival as humans and to improve our life experience. We all know this.  These are facts based on historical precedence. The more factual knowledge we have about the nature of life in all of its infinite complexity, the better decisions we make.  The problem with us is not that we believe irrational stuff (irrational thinking is creative)...our problem is in thinking that what we believe is the ultimate truth, and to make any decisions based on those beliefs (whether they be scientific or mythological).  

Our real difficulty as a species is our egocentric view of ourselves in the world and our need to &#039;be right&#039;.  We are all running around waving our flag and yelling our truth, trying to drown out everyone else so we can win. It is amazing that we have survived this long with such a terrible flaw.  

What would be a nice development is that we humans come to accept that we can&#039;t know truth and that we just need to come to the table together, bring as many facts as we can to the decision making process, accept that we won&#039;t be able to see the whole picture from where we sit, but to try to sift through everything and make the best decisions for all of us based on the information at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really addressing the question of whether belief helps us to survive, or commiserate about our sad lack of a built-in bull-shit filter, and the consequences of the evolutionary development of concepts that create our current reality but, I would like to comment on the notion that reality is either/or scientific or mythological or that one type of thinking has more value than another. </p>
<p>Personally I know that I operate in a two brained manner (or at least that&#8217;s how it feels to me), part of me operates scientifically and part of me doesn&#8217;t.  When I am working I function in a very logical and methodical way: my writing is technical, my thought process is organized and I want the facts.  However, when I wish to create something new I have to enter another psychological state in order to do that.  I need to repress my organized, rational, and structured thought process, so I can create&#8230;so I can tap into that flow.  I do this by meditating, reading philosophy and religious/spiritual material, etc in order to get there; to turn that other part of my brain on. Both types of thinking are necessary for me and I want them both.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that any of us have the ability to realize the ultimate nature of reality, in a way we are very fragmented beings.  It is no more valid to me to make the statement that God does not exist than it is to stand in a classroom and teach creationism, thereby completely denying the scientific facts regarding the nature of evolution and the development of species.  Where is the &#8216;truth&#8217; in either of those stances? </p>
<p>The pursuit of knowledge allows us, as a species, to make rational decisions and to solve problems related to our survival as humans and to improve our life experience. We all know this.  These are facts based on historical precedence. The more factual knowledge we have about the nature of life in all of its infinite complexity, the better decisions we make.  The problem with us is not that we believe irrational stuff (irrational thinking is creative)&#8230;our problem is in thinking that what we believe is the ultimate truth, and to make any decisions based on those beliefs (whether they be scientific or mythological).  </p>
<p>Our real difficulty as a species is our egocentric view of ourselves in the world and our need to &#8216;be right&#8217;.  We are all running around waving our flag and yelling our truth, trying to drown out everyone else so we can win. It is amazing that we have survived this long with such a terrible flaw.  </p>
<p>What would be a nice development is that we humans come to accept that we can&#8217;t know truth and that we just need to come to the table together, bring as many facts as we can to the decision making process, accept that we won&#8217;t be able to see the whole picture from where we sit, but to try to sift through everything and make the best decisions for all of us based on the information at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Araz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Araz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Maxx.This essay is a double edged sword. To a certain point it contradicts itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Maxx.This essay is a double edged sword. To a certain point it contradicts itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello;
   I am of the opinion that this short essay neither posits nor refutes anything.  In short, it says nothing.  People believe all sorts of weird beliefs?  We have our intuitions from evolution?  O.K., how does this somehow exempt the writer of this essay from the factors he is positing himself? Are these &quot;intuitions&quot; determined?  If so, as posited by the author, then this article itself is purely subjective and begs the question.
   Our beliefs are adaptive?  Who&#039;s? Mine, or yours, or both? Then who holds the privileged ground?  You, or me?
   &quot;If we get rid of weird beliefs, we&#039;re getting rid of all beliefs,&quot;  Then I can confidentially get rid of the belief of this essay.  Of course, skepticism is, according to this essay, a weird belief.  Or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello;<br />
   I am of the opinion that this short essay neither posits nor refutes anything.  In short, it says nothing.  People believe all sorts of weird beliefs?  We have our intuitions from evolution?  O.K., how does this somehow exempt the writer of this essay from the factors he is positing himself? Are these &#8220;intuitions&#8221; determined?  If so, as posited by the author, then this article itself is purely subjective and begs the question.<br />
   Our beliefs are adaptive?  Who&#8217;s? Mine, or yours, or both? Then who holds the privileged ground?  You, or me?<br />
   &#8220;If we get rid of weird beliefs, we&#8217;re getting rid of all beliefs,&#8221;  Then I can confidentially get rid of the belief of this essay.  Of course, skepticism is, according to this essay, a weird belief.  Or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Duquette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Duquette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Bakers statement about the government expected to magically solve our problems is not a fair comparison. No one expects magic from government. They do expect unrealistic results though. The government helping to solve big problems of society is a real possibility where gods solving big problems is an impossibility. Focusing on impossibilities wastes time and effort that could be used in constructive measures to solve societies problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Bakers statement about the government expected to magically solve our problems is not a fair comparison. No one expects magic from government. They do expect unrealistic results though. The government helping to solve big problems of society is a real possibility where gods solving big problems is an impossibility. Focusing on impossibilities wastes time and effort that could be used in constructive measures to solve societies problems.</p>
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		<title>By: soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of us have lost trust in our system of government a long time ago. And it&#039;s not hard to convince the average person that a government conspiracy was behind an evil deed. However, even though some of those conspiracy theories may have some weight to them. Can we truly believe that our government would attack it&#039;s own country. And kill it&#039;s own people. We would have to ask ourselves, what were the beliefs of those americans who would do such a thing.  Men are capable of doing evil things. The mentality of a Timothy McVey on a big scale IS possible, but is it likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of us have lost trust in our system of government a long time ago. And it&#8217;s not hard to convince the average person that a government conspiracy was behind an evil deed. However, even though some of those conspiracy theories may have some weight to them. Can we truly believe that our government would attack it&#8217;s own country. And kill it&#8217;s own people. We would have to ask ourselves, what were the beliefs of those americans who would do such a thing.  Men are capable of doing evil things. The mentality of a Timothy McVey on a big scale IS possible, but is it likely.</p>
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